minutes from 7/7/92

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Minutes of the SAGE Interim board on July 7, 1992 at SRI, Menlo Park, CA

Attendees:  Elizabeth Zwicky, Bjorn Satdeva, 
            Arnold de Leon, Laura Kirk de Leon,
            John Detke, Paul Evans, Shoshana Abrass
            Paul Moriarty, Bryan McDonald

Via phone: Pat Wilson

Absent:  Steve Simmons, Tina Darmohray

1)  Approval of the minutes

    Paul Moriarty noted that his name was the only one
    not spelled out.

    Minutes of the last meeting were approved.

2)  Working group status

    Pubs -- The first issue is to the printers.
	    There are currently 10-12 people on the list
            Bryan is ramping up for the August 12 deadline
            for the next issue.  The October is too close
            to LISA VI and so Bryan is trying to get an
            extension from Rob Kolstad and Ellie Young.
            Kevin Smallwood has offered to write a series of
            articles.

    Outreach -- Traffic is low.  The only one non board member
                on the list has volunteered to run an outreach
                BOF at LISA VI

    PR -- No real traffic.  SunWorld has made contact.  Paul Evans
          will talk to Ellie.

    Local groups -- There are 4 people on the list.  Bjorn will be
                    get in touch with contacts shortly.

    Certify -- 19 members on the list.  There has been some light
               discussion.   3 proposals so far, "all or nothing"
               "some percent or number of skills for a rating", 
               and "certificates for each skill".  So far sentiment
               is against "all  or nothing".
               Paul Moriarty hopes to have 2-3 proposals to the
               board in 9-12 months.

    Security -- There are about 18 members.  Interest is high
                for coming up with a catalog of security tools.
                Status/summary being sent out tomorrow (7/8/92).

    Edu -- About 14 people so far.  Most have agreed that
           "education is good".  We will be sending short,
           mid and long term goals

    On-line -- 19 people so far.  Moderate amount of traffic mostly
               a discussion of the concept.   The group is also
               working on have a check off box for LISA paper
               authors to allow sage to make their papers available
               on-line.  The group is also working on a vendor
               neutral bugs database.  If sage is going to
               provide services like WAIS we will need a
               machine.  The Sun 3/180 that is usenix.org does
               not have the horses.  Paul Vixie has offered
               use of "home machine" if we administer news on it
               for him.  Mark Verber will seek equipment donations
               from companies.  SRI can provide an internet connection.
               We will ask Paul Vixie about keeping the offer open
               in case we are unable to get sufficient donations.

    Conferences -- Steve Simmons is on vacation.

    Ethics -- Ed Gould is also on vacation.

    Standards -- 3 people so far.  We will clarify to the Janet that
                 we will probably need to create a separate mailing list
                 to act as the focus for the standards process.  The
                 working group probably should recommended this to the
                 board.

    Part time -- 4 people.  The group expects to have some language 
                 for the charter.

    Policies -- 6 people.  They are in the looking for ideas stage.
                The group expects to collect existing policies.

    Vendor -- 5-6 people.  No traffic so far except from the moderator
              The group is coordinating with the on-line group
              on the vendor neutral bug database.

    Arch Mott added that there has been many inquiries about
    Sage on the baylisa-info list.

    Possible New working groups

	International  -- No new group was created, but Shoshana
                          search the lists for international participants.

        Training users  -- After some discussion and concerns about
                           the size and complexity, no group was created.

    Mailing list

	Paul E and Paul M will schedule a meeting between prior
        and present custodians of the mailing lists to clear
        up some issues that have arisen with transition.

3) Budget
                
   We brainstormed list of possible areas were we will need
   money budgeted for '93. We need to create a budget for next year.

   Ideas include:
      a machine
      maintenance costs for a machine
      phone lines
      election
      4 board meetings
      newsletter
      promotional materials (like flyers)
      robbies (awards)
      postage and mailings
      workshops

4) Resolving the difference between the STG documents

   Usenix will allow us to substitute someone else for the
   treasurer for the meetings with Usenix.

   Paul Evans would like to attend the meetings.  John Detke,
   Sage treasurer, will talk it over with Paul E to decide
   who will go.  

5) Misc.

   Paul Moriarty asked if we need to do something unusual in
   order to take advantage of an offer to help from a member.
   The member is a recruiter rather than a sys admin.  The board
   decided no action was needed.

Submitted by: Arnold de Leon