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usenix.ORGOur users are balking at the charges incurred because, they say, they can purchase new disks at a fraction of what we are asking for our services. well, sure. because they can. but you are comparing apples and oranges: users are pricing and buying raw disk, and you're pricing and selling services. people who provide services based on expensive mainframe hardware when end-users can buy cheap desktop hardware are especially high. time sharing services like the big one that is dying on this campus screw up because they charge for "disk" and not "something else", whatever something else is ... backups, maintenance, testing and evaluation, supply and demand imbalance, arbitrary internal cost accounting and recharge policies, etc. The wily user sees "disk" on his or her bill, and says "hey, i can buy a disk cheaper than that." here is our perspective: if we feel it costs $X to cover disk drive installation, then we charge $X for that, and it is identified as such. if we feel that it costs $Y for backups, then we charge that much for people who choose to buy backups from us (some indeed buy their own tape drives). We sell chunks of AFS space for a very straightforward and verifiable cost of hardware plus an explicit annual maintenance charge. Here, people either add drives to their own Unix machine, buy a Novell server, or buy space from us. Or put a bigger drive on their Mac that their department (maybe) backs up. (Here is the U of Mich College of Engineering) We are not really a re-charge shop though, the same way traditional data centers, etc. are. I also agree with the points Bill Doster made in his response. --paul Paul Killey Deputy Director Computer Aided Engineering Network 251 Chrysler Center Ann Arbor MI 48109-2092 (313) 763-4910 (voice) (313) 936-3107 (fax) paulengin.umich.edu
dal.mobil.com (J.E. Martinez [Jose])